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A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4

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Posted by:   bobo 12/1/2007 7:49 AM

12/4 - Patrick has a new blog which everyone interested in how this got as bad as it has, should check out. It's pretty comprehensive, and has a certain style to the prose I'm a fan of. Here's a sampling:

"The New York Times summarized all of this in a story with the tepid headline, “S. E. C. Erred on Pequot.” Indeed, if derailing investigations into wealthy elites with “juice” while negotiating high-flying jobs with their white shoe law firms as an Inspector General conducts a half-hearted investigation before whitewashing the cover-up-firing of an investigator too recalcitrant to go along for the ride all count as “erring,” then yes, The New York Times is correct, the SEC “erred” here."

Great stuff.

For everyone who has been wondering why certain topics on Wikipedia that are sensitive to powerful special interests (like Wall Street, and hedge funds) enjoy a certain Lenin-like immunity from the truth, and most facts, you would be well advised to read the following breaking article. It describes how Wiki is basically as crooked as a snake trail, and is completely compromised from within. Gee. As if this was news to the thousands who have read the Naked Short Selling entry, and shaken their heads in disgust at the bias and selective filtering of facts.

The reason this article is so important is because it reveals how widely disseminated information is being tampered with and censored, by self-interested, self-serving editors, some of which have been placed emailing and editing from the DTCC's computers. Isn't that fun? Recall 'lil GW caught red-handed editing from the DTCC, and then consider that anitisocialmedia.net has placed him as the primary editor of the Naked Short Selling section. Is that bad, to have a sock puppet working from the DTCC controlling the online authority for many's spin on Wall Street critical topics?

If you find genuine journalism of interest, please DIGG the article so it gets exposure. While I am pretty cynical, I have to believe that a breaking story that exposes Wiki as a bent, biased, controlled entity is important to many, who blithely buy into the notion that you can believe anything you read there. Nope. What you can believe is that if the POV isn't what someone influential at Wiki wants you to believe is the truth, it will be expunged faster than you can say failed Businessweeek hack.

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Here's the current lay of the land.

SIFMA has $192 billion of fails to deliver and receive on their latest spreadsheet. How much are bonds, and how much equities, nobody knows. And they don't clarify. So it's anyone's guess. That's just for NYSE member firms, and it doesn't include any ex-clearing trades (which aren't reported or regulated anywhere, and which are likely 10 or greater times the reported fails), any desked trades (where your broker takes your money, and merely applies an IOU to your account instead of buying stock for you), any internationally netted trades ($100 billion shares owed by X to Y, is netted against the $100 billion shares owed by Y to X, to arrive at a zero number for reporting, which they don't do, anyway), or any of the other fun ways that Wall Street takes your money and gives you zip in return, but their handshake and a smile.

But you can bet that it is a big number in the real world. A very, very big number. As in, the liquidity that fuels the market is being siphoned off every year by the prime brokers, who have figured out that for every 10 shares bought, they can only buy, say, 6, and they can leave IOUs for the rest, pocketing the proceeds with zero cost of goods sold - they never bought anything for you.

Nobody knows how many shares trading every day are actually just IOUs, for which no product has been bought. But history teaches us that when it comes to greed and loopholes, moderation isn't going to be the order of the day.

There is nothing to stop the collusion of this cartel of brokers. Nothing. The regulator is captured (as is succinctly explained by Byrne in his http://www.deepcapturethemovie.com piece). The brokers' clearing entity (the DTCC - wholly owned by them) has confabulated the process of settlement to the point where there is no linkage between you paying your broker, and him buying anything. That entity has also done the neat trick of eliminating any verification mechanism that would allow anyone to prove whether or not they owned a genuine share versus an IOU - they have eliminated paper shares, deciding that they are old fashioned, and costly. They want to save you, the investor, money, by eliminating the last shred of proof you might use to tell whether your broker was acting as your trusted fiduciary, or was running a ponzi scheme or con game.

As long as all the cartel members pretend that each others' IOUs/chits are good as gold, they can all continue to cheat investors, and pocket whatever percentage of every dollar allocated by investors for buying stock, as they like. 1%. 5%. 10%. 25%. Nobody knows how big. Nobody. And the proof mechanism has been eliminated. How convenient.

That's why the OSTK lawsuit against the prime brokers is so interesting. Discovery in that will show, I believe, that upwards of 90% of all trading in the company's equities is bogus, and that all that money paid into the system to buy OSTK shares actually went into the banks' pockets, exchanged for worthless IOUs. If I am correct, the question isn't haw badly damaged OSTK was/is by the process, the question is, why would anyone believe it is limited just to OSTK and a few other victim companies like them?

Why, precisely, would the cartel of brokers not do the same thing on all equities, simply betting that there will NEVER be a run on the stock bank, where all buyers demand their shares at the same time? Of course, if you can get the DTCC, which you own, to make it impossible to trade or deal in paper shares, then you can guarantee that never happens, and you get to keep all the money you stole.

My belief at this point is that the entire market is precariously compromised, and that if all facts were known, we would understand that the veneer of civility applied to Wall Street is nothing more than the gloss applied to a monumental con. Think of Wall Street as insolvent S&Ls, who were literally stealing investor deposits by the billions, and you will understand what is going on, at least conceptually. Wall Street is taking your money, and there is no way of knowing what you get in return. Occasionally, a crack appears, as with OSTK, and it becomes apparent that NOBODY gets what they paid for. In those cases, the system rushes to cover it all up, and demonize whoever dares to point out the structural problem.

So that is the net net. Nobody knows how big this has gotten over the last decade, but we do know that the DTCC rushed to eliminate paper shares, and that now you have absolutely no way of knowing if you own anything at all but your broker's love. I'm here to tell you that you likely don't - the question is, is that 3% of your portfolio, or 55%? Again. There is no way to know.

Which is why it is a con. Confidence game. The essence of a con is that verification of the claims made in the con is impossible - the inefficiency of information availability is the con artist's friend. This con is straightforward: "Give me your money, and I will exchange it for this really valuable item (X) which I will then keep in a locked vault for you." Of course, nobody can go into the vault, as it wouldn't then be secure. So you have to take your broker's word that X is in the vault, with your name on it. If the broker has figured out that at any given time, he only needs to have 10 X's on hand to satisfy whoever is going to come in on any given week, demanding X, then he can take 100 X's money, and only buy 10, and just use the remaining money for whatever he wants (like massive bonuses), leaving an IOU in its place. It is a farce. The IOU is only as good as the broker's promise, which is predicated on the idea that nobody will really ever question that promise, or demand all the X's at once. Classic con. And the enemy of that con is a verification mechanism, which the industry and regulator has worked long and hard to eliminate. Gee. Wonder why.

Any questions?

Copyright ©2007 Bob O'Brien
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Comments (39)
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By gregcable2002 on 12/1/2007 11:42 AM
At the rate the states retirement funds are diminishing it won't be long before these con artist are fully exposed.Every state in the union needs to bring this issue before the voters,we could get you bobo to do the commercials that could aire every hour of evey day till the election.Wouldn't that be grand?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By rtway on 12/1/2007 1:33 PM
Bobo I know it will never happen but does congress or anyone else have the power to demand that the DTCC be compelled to open their books or does there have to be a warrant issued by a law enforcement agency to make this happen. I am trying to understand in my own mind why Specter or Grassley didn't demand to see their books or make the SEC demand to see their books.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By oldfeller on 12/5/2007 7:45 AM
Re: buying the float of a penny stock. I agree the microcaps are the ones that could be squeezed beyond belief if the rules were enforced. I have been on the bid in several low float microcaps for months without much success in getting even tiny orders filled. But keep in mind brokers have no obligation to accept any orders they don`t feel like filling. They just put a "sell only" stipulation on the stock. Ameritrade and others do it all the time. For that matter they could suddenly announce they will no longer accept buy orders for any otc stocks.
Wiccan Pedia...*Wholly crap!!! By Jen on 12/5/2007 7:47 AM
I don't know if you ever read the site www.worldreports.org he knows all about you and Faulk and Bryne of OSTK. He knows because I told him about you little heros.

I think he is older and been in the 'vipers den' longer. Faulk thought he was full of it, but some of his insight are too uncanny. He knew all about the Citibank drama way before the mainstream knew. He talks of the secrets and the NWO. He is not afraid to mention the truth. Anyone paying attention knows the secrets.

I think that guy is real. He just mentioned Wicca pedia and how they edit stuff such as this.

He is right into Leo Wanta. I think the fastest way to find out more about this Christopher Story (hero?) is to ask Faulk if he can call Mahue and ask him about Wanta and Story.


I wish I could sell endless shares in a company that is trading with no legal filings. It is magic. I was right.

The great big gig is up!

Stay tuned to see the great misdirection to escape the closing blue collar mob with pitchforks axes and cell phone lasers....

I honestly don't know how they will stop the truth.

JEN
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By Paul on 12/5/2007 7:46 AM
There must be some honest men and women in government. We just resoundingly declared a 2005 security evaluation to be "outdated". Who knows what happened, but the result is that some people in power have been left somewhat "naked".

Just like some of those people in power on WS were left "naked" by everyday Americans who could afford a 6% mortgage but can't afford a 9% mortgage.

"Naked" - what is it about that word that sounds so appropriate?

Our day will come.

Paul
Could the SEC's "Experts" Have Been Wrong? By Jeremiah 9:24 on 12/5/2007 7:50 AM
The following is from http://pipes.dealflowmedia.com/wires/112607.cfm. Should be no surprise to anyone except the fools who run the SEC.

Elimination of the Tick Test Added to Market Volatility, Study Finds
Posted November 27, 2007 5:30PM

The credit crunch and loss of consumer confidence might have company in the blame category for the stock market's recent volatility, a new study shows. The repeal of the stock-trading rule known as the tick test has a number of correlations to measures of market volatility, according to the research group's data.

The tick test, also known as the uptick rule, was part of Regulation SHO, which governs short selling. The tick test was designed to protect stocks from downward pressure through manipulative short sales. It required that a stock could only be sold short after a rise in price – an uptick.

The Securities and Exchange Commission decided to repeal the tick test after an SEC investigation found that the test probably didn't prevent manipulation, but modestly reduced liquidity.


Yet Birinyi Associates, analyzing data before and after the date of the effective repeal on July 6, has found that volatility has increased significantly, as measured by the VIX and the absolute value of percentage changes in S&P 500 stocks.

What's more, Birinyi found that money flows for the Dow Jones Industrial Average turned down sharply at almost the exact date that the tick test was repealed, after having risen steadily for at least four years. According to Birinyi analyst Cleveland Rueckert, there is no question that this means short sellers are pushing stocks lower since they do not have to wait for an uptick to short.

"It is basically a cut and dry example of how short sellers are able to lean on stocks now, and push their prices lower," he said.

Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By bobo on 12/5/2007 8:30 AM
This just in, a comment letter to the Washington Times from Stu Goldstein at the DTCC:

Article published Nov 29, 2007

Letters to the editor



November 29, 2007



Trading places



The Commentary column "Phantom shares" (Nov. 21) by Jonathan E. Johnson III, senior vice president of corporate affairs at Overstock.com, was grossly misleading and filled with inaccuracies.



At Depository Trust and Clearing Corp. (DTCC), we clear and settle the trading volume from all equity markets in the United States (New York Stock Exchange, Nasdaq, American Stock Exchange, regional stock exchanges and electronic communication networks, or ECNs , which may include more than 11 billion shares traded, with a value exceeding $1 trillion, on a single day.



The article is disingenuous at best to suggest that electronic records of securities trades create an unknown number of phantom stock shares when a trade fails. The Securities and Exchange Commission has rejected this idea as unfounded.



Every trade in a security, involving a physical certificate or an ownership record on a computer, is a legal obligation, and investors retain rights and recourse if that contract is not fulfilled. If you deposit $100 in your bank account, you aren't entitled to get the same exact bills you deposited, but you do retain the legal right to get $100 back.



Less than one-tenth of 1 percent of trades may not settle within three days after the trade, as required. The SEC has pointed out that trades can fail for a variety of reasons, most of which are associated with administrative errors (e.g., incorrect signature on stock certificate). When there is a failed trade, 85 percent of these fails are resolved within 10 business days.



In instances of long-standing failed trades, a broker dealer has the right to force a buy-in to complete the trade. The SEC has taken a number of steps to reduce these long-standing failed trades. Most recently, it amended Regulation SHO to eliminate a clause that allowed fails incurred before a security went on the threshold list to remain open as fails.



While we understand that Overstock.com continues to feel that short selling (instead of its earnings) is depressing its stock price, shame on Mr. Johnson and his company for pursuing an ill-conceived and misleading campaign of attack on our capital market system.



Our U.S. capital markets are the most efficient and safest markets in the world and have the lowest costs, which helps attract the flow of capital that helps fuel the U.S. economy.



STUART Z. GOLDSTEIN

Managing director

Corporate communications

Depository Trust and Clearing Corp.

New York City
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I do so enjoy how Stu bliithely lumps debt and equity trades together to come up with a big number, ignores niggling details like the $192 billion fails in just NYSE firms, argues that an IOU is sort of the same as property you paid for, and then blames OSTK's massive fail position on....the company! How do you know they're lying? Their lips move.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By sealman29 on 12/5/2007 5:50 PM
There is little time left before financial doomsday.
Oil priced in Euro's or basket of currencies
China and India labor
Massive mortgage defauls and foreclosures
Sub-prime meltdown
Global dollar devaluation
Massive credit card debt for all Americans
Change in bankruptcy laws
$200,000 loans ($40,000 a year x 5 years) to college kids with no job or means to repay it. These kids will all be indentured servants for life.
Any questions?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By daven on 12/5/2007 5:54 PM
We need to write the paper to respond to Stu - Bobo, do you have a contact email?

1. According to SIFMA's site, $67.9 trillion in equity transactions occurred last year. With 250 trading days, that works out to $271.6 billion per day.

Stu claims it's a trillion dollars per day. Is he claiming SIFMA under reports by 80%?

"which may include more than 11 billion shares traded, with a value exceeding $1 trillion, on a single day."

2. According to the SEC Chairman Christopher Cox fails to deliver are “a fraud that the commission is bound to prevent and to punish."

According to Stu

"The Securities and Exchange Commission has rejected this idea as unfounded."

3. "Every trade in a security, involving a physical certificate or an ownership record on a computer, is a legal obligation, and investors retain rights and recourse if that contract is not fulfilled."

All this means is you can sue your brokerage, but who is going to drop hundreds of thousands on a lawsuit when they hide the records across multiple jurisdictions so you can't prove they are stealing from you?

4. "Less than one-tenth of 1 percent of trades may not settle within three days after the trade, as required."

How could he possibly know that? Is he claiming that he has access to the back office records of every brokerage, clearing house and depository in the world, including all the x-clearing records and repurchase agreements? Even if we use his number, that works out to .001 x 1 trillion = $1 billion per day. Is he saying that over 250 trading days, that $250 billion worth of stock fails to deliver as required by law over the course of the year? Why doesn't that jive with the SEC's $5 billion aggregate number?

5. "In instances of long-standing failed trades, a broker dealer has the right to force a buy-in to complete the trade."

Because the NSCC interposes itself between the buyer and seller, Stuart's employer is literally the one who is failing to deliver to the buyer. Unless it is x-clearing, buyers ONLY ever receive from the NSCC. I'd like to see Stuart explain how a brokerage is supposed to go about buying in the NSCC?

6. "Our U.S. capital markets are the most efficient and safest markets in the world"
What does he base that on? Is there a survey of markets he is referencing? How does this jive with the massive failures of the S&L's, Long Term Capital Management, Refco, Adler Coleman and MJK Clearing? In every case, laws were flagrantly disregarded with no consequence.

You can write Stu yourself to clarify:

Stuart Z. Goldstein
http://www.stuartzgoldstein.com
szgoldst@aol.com
sgoldstein@dtcc.com
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By ted on 12/5/2007 5:56 PM
Am I reading this correctly?

Under assets, the industry lists fails to deliver of $42 billion. I think that means the NSCC has $42 billion of their cash because they need to deliver $42 billion worth of stock.

Under liabilities, the industry lists fails to receive of $150 billion. I think that means they owe the NSCC $150 billion cash, but won't pay until the NSCC delivers shares.

My question is why does the NSCC owe the industry 3 1/2 times as many shares (in dollar value) as the industry owes the NSCC?

My theory is that the difference is representative of how much naked shorting has depressed the price of target companies. Would it be reasonable to think that $150 billion worth of market cap. is only worth $42 billion now (because the dollar amount is marked to market as the price falls)?

If so, then it means the fraud pushed the price of target companies down an average of 72% making the criminals a profit of $108 billion.

Is this a question the law firms can ask in discovery?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By Sean on 12/6/2007 2:57 PM
I found this to be very interesting and defintely problematic!!

SEBASTIAN, Fla., Dec 05, 2007 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX/ -- Sebastian River Holding's Inc. (Pink Sheets: SBRV), today announced that the company has filed a lawsuit against E*Trade Financial Corp. (Nasdaq: ETFC). The lawsuit alleges collusion amongst E-trade and its employees to unlawfully, manipulate the company's stock. The Company is suing under the civil section of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO). Several individual shareholders have joined the company as plaintiffs.
In addition, the plaintiffs allege that E*trade illegally froze shareholders accounts, not allowing them to buy or sell nor move stock or cash out of their accounts. The suit seeks return of all assets confiscated by E*Trade, including cash and stock. The company is seeking actual and punitive damages for loss of market value and for loss of business opportunity.

"You often hear about these large brokerage firms manipulating stock of small public companies for their own financial gain. The magnitude of E*Trade and its employees' conduct to artificially knock down our market cap is egregious and absolutely astounding," stated CEO Daniel Duffy." The really amazing part of this whole process is the fact that there is substantial documentation to prove all of the allegations of our lawsuit."

On August 8th 2007 the company announced an Iraq Dinar dividend to all shareholders of record on September 14th 2007, because of the acts of E*Trade the company can not get an actual count of record date shareholders. As soon as this matter is concluded Sebastian River Holding's Inc. will honor the dividend, even if the rate of the Dinar is one Dinar for one US dollar.

Forward-Looking Statement

Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By bbhindyou on 12/6/2007 3:01 PM
Wow!
The way this is going I think I want to find a nice farm somewhere out of the way and maybe have a garden and chickens and maybe a few sheep.
Now where is that flippin door I'm outta this party before it get rough.
Any body need a farm hand,I work cheap!
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By gregcable2002 on 12/6/2007 7:16 AM
so it's the brokers fault because they don't force the buyin? If the broker is the one doing the naked short you think they'll force themselves to buyin? Hey Stuie baby,you forgot to mention Overstock being on the SHO list since it's inception? Did you check your facts as to see why we are pissed?



In instances of long-standing failed trades, a broker dealer has the right to force a buy-in to complete the trade. The SEC has taken a number of steps to reduce these long-standing failed trades. Most recently, it amended Regulation SHO to eliminate a clause that allowed fails incurred before a security went on the threshold list to remain open as fails.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By daven on 12/6/2007 3:03 PM
The bottom line is Stu gets paid well to lie for a living. Visit his site and read his articles on how to spin bad news.

Brokers have no ability to buy in to get delivery. The buy in just creates another failed obligation.

""Brad Niswonger, a senior vice president for brokerage firm Robert W. Baird
Co., complained in a July letter to the SEC, "It seems like every day the
SEC fines someone for fraudulent stock transactions, but they walk away
after collecting their fee without completing the transaction by making
these players buy in the illegal short positions." A Canadian brokerage firm
also complained to the SEC about its experience trying to settle its
purchases of shares in Overstock.com. The broker, Research Capital of Toronto,
says it tried to buy shares of Overstock to satisfy customer orders but
has never received the actual shares it bought, even after 39 attempts to
force the brokers who sold it the stock to produce the shares. Research
Capital says this has been going on since February 2006. "The failed deliver
has simply been replaced with another delivery commitment which also
fails," the brokerage says.""
Re: Bankers twist and turn By PhantomCertificates on 12/6/2007 3:57 PM
This is off topic for this blog, but on topic for the issues of our financial system, so please allow it bobo.

The issue at hand is the recent 5 year rate freeze for subprime mortgages that were scheduled to have a rate reset in the coming months. I don't see this as a "helping out the little guy" issue at all. Recently, there was a foreclosure case thrown out of court because the subprime mortgages were bundled in such a manner that there is no particular owner of a particular mortgage. The mortgages are subdivided into different classes so they could sell the paper at different credit rating up to AAA. Because of the packaging, the bank trying to foreclose on the individual's house for not paying their mortgage was thrown out of court because the bank couldn't show that they owned the mortgage. So the owners of these mortgage backed securities that are non-performing don't even own the property they thought the mortgages used as collateral. If the mortgagees don't make their loan payments, and the mortgage servicing company can't afford to make payments on the taxes for the property, the county tax collectors will foreclose on the property due to a tax lien leaving the mortgage backed security holder with nothing at all. Now why would the 5 year rate reset be important? Maybe because the wall street brokerage houses still have a bunch of these mortgage backed securities on their books, and need to off them on someone else before the paper is totally worthless? I think that's more likely than a humanitarian concern for the mortgagee.

A link to the articles I'm refering to:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071206/mortgage_crisis.html
http://loanworkout.org/2007/11/13/deutsche-bank-foreclosures-tossed-out-of-ohio-federal-court--they-own-nothing/

Things are getting pretty hot on wall street these days as a lot of their games seem to be ready to blow up in their faces imo.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By n-tres-ted on 12/1/2007 3:04 PM
rtway, Specter and Grassley got as much as they could despite SEC staff stalling, but then S and G lost their chairmanships at the 2006 elections. Yes, Wall Street and the hedge funds got to Republican chairman Shelby on the Senate Banking committee, but they already had Dodd and Schumer. There is a reason Wall Street and Stamford are represented by Schumer, Dodd and Clinton, all Democrats. If anyone expects Democrats in Congress to be at all interested in smoking out the FTD bandits, they will be sadly disappointed. I wish it were otherwise, but that is my opinion.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By bobo on 12/1/2007 3:18 PM
rtway, I think the short answer is that, in the words of Jack Nicholson, "The truth? You can't handle the truth!"

The DTCC doesn't keep track of the size of the ex-clearing problem, at least, as far as I can tell from their claims. That's handy, as ex-clearing allows the good ol boys club to fail to deliver to one another at infinite levels, without ever having to report any of it. Ditto for the internationally netted fails, where the international clearing firms are free to net their hearts away and report pretty much whatever they feel like, or don't feel like. Same for desked trades. Nothing clear on how big that is.

I used to roll my eyes when I would hear phrases like trillions of dollars involved in this scam. Now, I think that may be the low number. And that's also why nobody wants to know the truth. It would shut down the American financial system and the markets. Better a lie that keeps the rubes laying their money down, than a truth that will collapse the system, eh?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By Sean on 12/1/2007 10:16 PM
RTWAY, that is the best question that I have seen on this blog in a long time?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By shazam on 12/1/2007 10:18 PM
from a refr chatoom, re the good old ncans peition that someone discovered

GREAT IDEA FOR RAVAGED REFRITES

A Chance to Demand Reform! (or are u waiting for an engraved invitation?)


I just looked, and there are currently 5129 signatures, and that petition has been around for a while. If all who knew they were being f#cked over were added to all who are indeed, f#cked over, but have no idea, in reality, there would be millions and millions of signatures.

The more signatures, the more the motherfkers have to start paying attention. It's as simple as that.

We are not fruitcakes and we are not making this up.

ONE HUNDRED NINTY TWO BILLION DOLLARS IN STOCK SOME MOTHERFKRS SOLD AND GOT PAID FOR, BUT NEVER DELIVERED is not fruitcake.

If you're pissed off at what's been happening with REFR-- here's your chance to finally take some action, add your name-- and comment if inclined-- then pass it along. From little acorns...

And no, I was once, but am naive' no more. This is regrettably, one of the few ways we civilians have to try to protect ourselves from the bastards continued stealing from us. Take advantage and declare your disgust at what's going on. If we are ever going to get anywhere-- we have to start somewhere.
R
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By rtway on 12/1/2007 9:38 PM
Bobo, if I am reading this correctly the only way we will ever see the veracity or scope of this extremely huge problem will be for a run on the brokerages (a la 1934) where everyone is scrambling to get their securities that don't physically exist such as we seen in the banking crisis a few years ago. Or a complete voluntary confession by a high ranking member of the DTCC in conjunction with another high ranking meember of the SEC warning the public that they are screwed. Even in that scenario it seems that the government would still somehow be in control so that no one would ever see the real carnage because they could print more bogus paper to cover the crime and buy more time. This could go on infinitum until the rest of the world figures out we are really bad paper because most of our hard assests and factories and such are no longer here. Would I be wrong in saying it is a matter of time before the rest of the world won't invest in us or our debt instruments for fear of owning air.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By bobo on 12/1/2007 10:29 PM
rtway: The simplicity of the system as it exists today is that they have eliminated the chance of a run on their banks - there is no such thing as hard currency anymore in the equities business, or at least there is no such thing as paper shares or paper currency. What that means is that there is no way to do a run on the bank. Smart of them, as they have eliminated any verification mechanism for you, the layman, to ever know how little your real dollars actually bought. So they win that round, no way to argue it. That's why dematerialization was so critical to the scheme. They had to eliminate the only mechanism to run on the bank. Just as if they eliminated paper currency, there would be no possibility of ever seeing a run on a bank. Can't happen. There is no physical proof.

Forget about anyone on the inside rolliing. That's a pipe dream. Not a chance.

No, the reason suits like the OSTK suit are so damaging, is because that is the ONLY mechanism that now exists to test whether or not the cabal of private interests which are the prime brokers are ripping everyone off, at least in the limited case of OSTK. The rest of the listed companies? No way to know, short of suing over every issue. That won't happen. So they may lose some skirmishes, but they won this battle, which is the battle for the wealth of the nation. Wish it wasn't so. But it is. That's why I am out of the market, for good. It's too badly rigged.

As to fiat currency, the rest of the world will continue to invest in us as long as we are one of the major consumer societies on the planet - they get paid in dollars for everything sold here, thus have a reason to want dollars to have at least some value. But we can only afford this lifestyle by borrowing from the same banks that stole our wealth, so we can afford the comforts we could have just had outright if our wealth hadn't been pilfered. That's called a debt society, and it is basically the propping up of fiat currency using the future earning power of the entire country.

It's worse than you think, is my message. There is no verification mechanism now, which means that if you put a dime in the market, you are handing it to proven thieves. I don't like those odds.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By bobo on 12/2/2007 1:27 PM
Check out former SEC Commissioner Harvey Pitt, and his statements about naked short selling, at a recent function where that was the topic:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=A7eiESsSDtE
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By Sean on 12/2/2007 8:44 PM
Bobo and all, I have a very serious question..Based on all that we have seen and heard about corrupt Govt. agencies, DOJ department in shambles firing people for doing their jobs, the FBI assisting Elgingy in his criminal enterprises and the SEC watching while companies llike SEDNA, JAGH and OVERSTOCK are being slaughtered right in plain sight, who is the entity that is going to bring these White Collar Criminals to justice. Dr. Byrne seems to think that these people will land in jail or better maybe under the jail, but I don't see how. Eagletech has the ammo and is not using it to bring the needed attention to this problem, but I would think that with all that has been made public so far the market would be trying to clean itself up, instead it is getting worst. Somebody please "splain" to me how this will work. I don't have a clue. It has got to end somehow but.....how?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By bobo on 12/2/2007 8:47 PM
Sean: My belief is that the plaintiff's bar is the last shot at getting this stopped, as a few multi-billion dollar wins, and the cost goes up for misbehavior. It won't stop all misbehavior, but it will make it really expensive to be obvious about it. I don't buy that any of the law enforcement or regulatory entities will do diddly - otherwise, why aren't they asking openly and honestly how MW knew which companies were going to go down? No, it is the O'QUinn's of the world that will raise the price to the point where it doesn't pay nearly as well to be a criminal. IMO.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By bbhindyou on 12/3/2007 8:28 AM
There is no record of how many naked shares there are in the market.
NONE.
The only 'record' of how many stock sales there are is the one on your brokerage statements.
You cannot hold your own property you paid for with your own money in your own hands anymore.[certificates]
The only way to prove a naked short now is to get all the people who own a particular stock to compare their brokerage statements totals with the outstanding issued shares issued by the companys they own stock in.
I always wondered if you counted all the nice little letters K-Mart sent out ,you know the "your stock in our company is now null and void, would you like to buy some more" letters how many more letters would there have been to stock holders then there were actual shares of company issued stock?
I think the ability to compare notes on how many 'shares' we all own via our brokerage statments will be the next target to be 'dematerialized'.
So much for us owning anything even in our thoughts.
Why don't they just come on out be honest take everything we think we own and herd us into corperate labor camps?
It's the true state of things now anyway.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By kevin on 12/3/2007 10:17 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/business/02every.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin

Goldman Sachs sold hundreds of Billions in subprime/CDO's and shorted them at the same time.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By fails on 12/3/2007 10:18 PM
For those that try to second guess Bobo, $192 billion of fails to deliver and receive is an accurate number and there is no double counting. Either SIFMA is lying or the SEC is lying.

A fail is either a failure to receive or a failure to deliver, but not both. The "receive" and "deliver" language speak to who's fault it is, the seller or the buyer, but each fail is only assigned one of the two monikers.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By daven on 12/3/2007 10:19 PM
As part of the lawsuit discovery process, it would be great to find out who the private individuals are that own Cede & Co. and whether any of the assets which belong to Cede & Co. have been pledged as security for loans or used for other purposes.

Your shares that are in street name are actually registered and owned by a private corporation, Cede & Co of unknown jurisdiction.

The word nominee comes from nominate. The DTC nominates Cede & Co. to be the actual owner of all the assets they hold in trust. Your claim on those assets as "beneficial" owner is via a series of trust agreement between you, your brokerage, the clearing system and the "actual" owner. It is likely more than one person have claims on each actual share. It is not criminal to not honor a trust agreement. It's simple breach of contract, with civil remedies.

Cede & Co. is a privately held company of unknown jurisdiction that predates the formation of the DTC and the DTCC. It IS NOT just another name for the DTCC or DTC as the assets are not disclosed in the financial statements of either of those two entities. By severing ownership of the assets, the DTC avoids being governed by banking regulations.

Why isn't Cede & Co. set up as a non profit entity of New York jurisdiction? What is the nature of the trust agreement between the DTC and Cede & Co. and why isn't it disclosed in their financial statements?

On October 12, 1971, Senator Metcalf was trying to figure out who owned Time Magazine and as part of that, he wanted to find out who Cede & Co. was. He couldn't get an answer. The best he could get was:

"Another of TIME's stockholders is reported as Cede & Company,
box 20, Bowling Green Station, N.Y. Persons who follow regulatory
matters will recall that Cede & Company shows up repeatedly on
ownership reports of power companies, airlines, and railroads,
and that not long ago the Interstate Commerce Commission expressed
mild interest in finding out who controlled all those Cede & Company
shares ....."

"...The nominee list shows that Cede & Company is the
Stock Clearing Corporation, at 44 Broad Street. I would add that
the Stock Clearing Corporation is a wholly owned subsidiary of
the New York Stock Exchange. ..... I leave it to the would-be
Lieblings to ferret out press ownership and its implications."

"Two methods were devised to solve the crisis. The first was to hold all stock certificates in a centralized location and record all changes of ownership electronically - this method led to the creation of DTC in 1973 (Stocks held by DTC are kept under the partnership nominee name Cede & Co.)."
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By daven on 12/3/2007 10:20 PM
http://abacus.bates.edu/Library/aboutladd/departments/special/ajcr/1973/Corporate%20Ownership.shtml

Kane & Co. is joined in the investment world by such luminary and original "stockholders" as Cede & Co., "fronting" for the Stock Clearing Corporation, a wholly owned subsidiary of the New York Stock Exchange; Pace & Co., standing in for the Mellon National Bank and Trust; and Carson & Co., Powers & Co., and Teggee & Co., all pseudonyms for Morgan Guaranty Trust.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By daven on 12/3/2007 10:21 PM
There are about $4.1 trillion in equities on deposit(1). Looking at Bobo's numbers, $192 billion in fails is 4.7% of that. Daily equity transaction volume is about $15.2 billion. Outstanding fails are equivalent to all the equity transaction dollar volume in 12.6 days. 1260% of transactions are outstanding as failed on a typical day? That level of fails is obscene.

Industry statistics often refer to the settlement of "securities" expressed as a dollar volume, but 88.6% of all securities transaction dollar size is debt. Any time they do that, they are obscuring the immense size of the problem.

From their annual report

http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/annuals/2006/2006_report.pdf
pg. 7-8

(1)

Equity is $174.9 trillion of 1.53 quadrillion in transactions or 11.4%. I assume this is representative of the ratio of equity versus debt on deposit.
11.4% of 36 trillion on deposit is an estimated $4.1 trillion on deposit

(2)
They disclose only 2% or $3.8 trillion in equities transactions need to settle
Using an estimated 250 trading days in a year, $3800 / 250 = 15.2 billion

(3)
1530 - 174.9 = 1355.1 is not equity
1355.1/1530 = 88.6%
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By bobo on 12/3/2007 10:25 PM
daven: That doesn't include ex-clearing, international, desked trades, trades that are hidden from failure via repo agreements, and on and on.

So, let's say half the 192 is equities. Call it $100 billion. That is probably 20 times lower than what is actually failed. Really. No lie. I have solid grounds to believe that the ex-clearing side is many multiples of the reported fails. Ditto for all the rest.

The industry doesn't want to fess up that it isn't a sliver, it is really mammoth numbers, and that they have been ripping off the markets for decades now, for big percentages of the big totals, not slivers.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By gregcable2002 on 12/4/2007 5:19 AM
daven,which brings us to the end result Overstock and other companies that are naked shorted to the point that those shares will never be bought in,thus these companies will never get off the SHO list,this wall street infection will kill us if we don't get control of it soon,it may be to late if those numbers are correct.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises By searrows on 12/4/2007 7:20 AM
It's a massive skimming operation, think how much better off this country would have been had reasonable controls been maintained to assure that a share was a share. As long as the sheep sleep no one will be the wiser. I guess to the herders we are but several cases of mad cow. How many brokers are aware of this? Mine is dumb as a stump. What a heart breaking situation indeed.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By Look lets do something- lets do something about it on 12/4/2007 5:29 PM
Lets buy the entire float for the cheapest penny stock that we can find.

Lets get proof- stone cold proof of wrongdoing.

There are plenty of reporting companies that have market caps under 1million dollars.

Lets do it.
All of us together can purchase every single share in a tiny fully reporting penny stock.
Lets get the smoking gun- let us get the proof we need in order to make them pay.

Please lets do it.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By daven on 12/4/2007 5:30 PM
http://www.sifma.org/research/pdf/RRVol2-10.pdf

The numbers are worse than I thought. The $174.9 trillion number also included non equity NSCC transactions.

According to SIFMA's site, $67.9 trillion in equity transactions occurred last year. Assuming 250 days in the year and 98% netting, you'd expect that only $5.4 billion would need to settle each day.

So you have an outstanding balance of $192 billion failing day after day against a netted daily settlement obligation of only $5.4 billion.

I also notice:

"The total market capitalization of the world’s equity markets reached $54.2 trillion"
"Global securities industry revenues exceeded an estimated $794 billion dollars"

In other words, they skim off a minimum of 1.5% of the value of the entire market cap. of every listed company each year in industry fees.
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By daven on 12/4/2007 5:31 PM
Can we get these guys onside the fight - Council of Institutional Investors? They represent the 100 largest investment groups and are being hurt by failures the same way we all are.

http://www.cii.org/
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By daven on 12/4/2007 5:32 PM
"But do you recall a year ago, just before the Refco collapse, that Alan Greenspan called a NYC meeting in the Fed offices where the top executives of America's biggest banks and brokers were required to attend. The issue was "transaction fails" and how the whole financial system is at peril."

http://www.billcara.com/archives/2006/09/a_failure_to_de.html
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By bbhindyou on 12/4/2007 9:48 PM
The shell game has no pea under the cup.
The value of all of america's 'currency' is debt.
The 'owners' of all morgages and loans of any type are really holding a fictional debt instrument that has been colectivised and sold many times over.
It's not just our stocks that have been oversold.
Ever since the american debt level passed the ability to be covered by the gold reserves held by america the shell game has been in play , but now even the pea is gone.
It wont be much longer that the true owners will let us play at all.
We have been conned because we wanted to believe we could win ,it looked so easy.
We have been taken for all we have there is nothing left to lose and soon the new owners will DEMAND we pay up.
What is there we can do ?
Re: A Refresher For Those Easily Distracted By Flashing Lights and Loud Noises - UPDATED 12/4 By Sean on 12/4/2007 9:49 PM
To the post that wrote;

Lets buy the entire float for the cheapest penny stock that we can find.

Lets get proof- stone cold proof of wrongdoing.

There are plenty of reporting companies that have market caps under 1million dollars.

Lets do it.
All of us together can purchase every single share in a tiny fully reporting penny stock.
Lets get the smoking gun- let us get the proof we need in order to make them pay.

Please lets do it.
I'm here to state that I have the perfect company in mind. The outstanding shares of which is less that 14mill the CEO owns 5.5 mill and the Auth is 50mill. From 2003 till current the Outstanding has increased from 8.7 mill to 13.5 mill. In other words the CEO and Company has not diluted the heck out of it. The company has announced recently that it will pay a .10c cash divy to shareholders of record on Dec 20th 2007. And the stock is trading between 18 and 20 cents right now. I'm game if you are. I say we stop whining and put our money where our mouth is!!! Bobo please note I did not put the name of the stock in my post.

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