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Posted by:   bburrell 11/15/2006 2:26 PM

"He who sells what isn't hisn, must give it back or Go To Prison!"

One of the core elements of US 5th Amendment rights is protection against unlawful taking.  In the case of our regulators, they want to make this right non-existent.  Try as they may to use rule making to override law, they can't do it without committing a major felony.

I challenge anyone to show me the law that changes the fundamental right of control of disposition of an asset or its value to unidentifiable third parties.  There is no such law, just as no law gives the SEC the right to grant immunity for criminal behavior ex post facto. 

Extending this logic a linear level, such conduct as shorting could extend to physical assets including homes.  They are damned close to that now.  Physical commodities are bought and sold without delivery every day.

I repeat something I have said many times:  If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Wake up and smell the Napalm.  Do we have to go to 0% of the world's IPO's for anyone to get this?

So much for this rant.

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Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By Paladin on 11/16/2006 7:16 AM
"He who sells what isn't hisn, must give it back or Go To Prison!"

Daniel Drew....the Gilded Age speculator and robber baron describing short selling.

Good one BB!
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By Wicked World on 11/16/2006 7:16 AM

Bud, have you seen this and what's the basic takeaway?

http://www.finextra.com/fullstory.asp?id=16156
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By Wicked World on 11/16/2006 7:17 AM

"...that will provide its European clients with access to dark liquidity pools."

Bud, what are dark liquidity pools?
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By bbhindyou on 11/16/2006 7:17 AM
Please tell me it's not real.
The stock certificates I own ,purchased with my own money, held in my own hands can't stay there?
WHY?
What will happen if I don't give them to the dtcc?
What will they do then?
If I give up this part of my personal property what will they want next?
They will be back for more, they got fed once they will keep coming back for more.
Monsters are like that.
I want to wake up now.
Please.
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By bburrell on 11/16/2006 7:19 AM
The dark liquidity pools referred to are other people's assets (OPM), used by them as if these pools were their own, when they are not.

It is the beginning of the end, the step to the meltdown Cliff.

Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By John Smith (yeah right) on 11/16/2006 9:22 AM
It also appears that there are some competitors in the trading platform business. Does this affect the company you're involved with Bud? Is it possible to beat the big boys, especially when they all join forces?
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By bburrell on 11/16/2006 9:34 AM
John Smith,

By the time the existing schmucks here (ask some your Jewish friends what one of these is) pull their collective heads out of wherever, this opportunity will have passed them by, and the US will be doing 1% of all IPO's worldwide. If you are smart, you will put your IRA outside the US.

They will be fighting bull shit bureacratic battles domestically, after the War has already been lost internationally. They will be too effing stupid and arrogant to take responsibility for the outcome.

Off with their heads! Between the Middle East and Muslims on the one hand, and the South Americans and the Godless Communists, this country is in the historical squeeze play of all times.

To repeat a quote, "Stupidity is repeating the same behavior over and over, expecting a different outcome>" (Thanks to Albert Einstein). In this case, their stupidity, compounded by their arrogance, will lead to an outcome that will certainly be "different". I like the word "Accountable" as a description of their responsibility.

What is that our leaders DON'T get about this threat? They can shove their political parties where the SUN doesn't shine. We can hang those labels around their necks before they are sent to the hereafter.
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By searrows on 11/16/2006 12:22 PM
The announcement yesterday, that seven investment banks including Golldman Sachs, MS, BOA, and Citibank were going to start there own Europoean Stock Market to compete with the established ones. Did this come about because they could not buy those? Is this an attempt to continue their larceney abroad in order to deprive investors anyplace where they would be treated fairly. Does this amount to an unwanted invasion. If they tried to do that here the SEC would not allow these companies to delist would they? Haven't they refused to let some companies deliast to list elsewhere instead insisting on dual listings
Won't the governments in these countries have to approve and regulate these new markets?
From what I have gathered the fairest markets as far as settlement appears to be Hong Kong and the London Aim Exchange.
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By bburrell on 11/16/2006 12:42 PM
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The announcement yesterday, that seven investment banks including Golldman Sachs, MS, BOA, and Citibank were going to start there own Europoean Stock Market to compete with the established ones.

Did this come about because they could not buy those?

These parties have seen the trend, and they don't want to default the opportunity to the NYSE, ASE, NASDAQ, etc. They are better capitalized to make this move, and they have better access to capital than the established exchanges. Are they conflicted by this? You have to have a concern about ethics to be conflicted.

Is this an attempt to continue their larceney abroad in order to deprive investors anyplace where they would be treated fairly?

Absolutely. Massive exits from the US are inevitable. The tricky part of this move is that just because these US Banks/Investment Banks have their own exchange doesn't mean anyone will use it.

Does this amount to an unwanted invasion?

There is an announcement in today's NY Times DealBook that the LSE was sending a woman rep to try and reel this in on some unspecified level. I am sure that the LSE, Euronext, and the Deutsche Bourse are concerned, but if I were in their position, I wouldn't be. They may not know where their strengths lay.

If they tried to do that here the SEC would not allow these companies to delist would they?

The States, not the SEC, control registrations. If a Company wants to delist and deregister to go somewhere else, the SEC can't stop it.

Haven't they refused to let some companies deliast to list elsewhere instead insisting on dual listings?

If they have blocked companies from going elsewhere, I haven't seen it. Such a block would never stand up in Court.

Won't the governments in these countries have to approve and regulate these new markets?

Each country's regulator will have to approve any such exchange before it can be used.

From what I have gathered the fairest

The markets in Hong Kong and India have to be the most credible right now, as they permit neither naked short selling nor fails to deliver.

Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By bbhindyou on 11/20/2006 6:48 AM
Bud they still don't believe me that our stock certificates we hold MUST be returned .
I was told "we paid to have our stock certs pulled they can't just take them back"
Please tell me if I am wrong but it looks that way to me.
ARE WE ALLOWED TO HOLD OUR STOCKS IN CERTIFICATE FORM IN OUR OWN HANDS.
If so then it's all just a bad dream or I am the crazy one.
If we are soon no longer allowed to hold our own property then why isn't everybody else as mad as I am?
Bud they will listen to you ,you have all the book learning behind you to back it up, all I have is life experience with ratfinks,theives,and other political figures.
Spell it out for them please.They think I'm just too dumb to get it and I must have misunderstood.
THANK YOU.
Re: Property Rights, Property Rights, Property Rights, etc. By kevin on 11/22/2006 12:54 PM
They don't care if everyone leaves America and stock prices collapse. That's what they want! so they can cover their electronic chits.
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